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  1. #1
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    Angry Scam crowdfunding advertiser

    Every Kickstarter creator knows this feeling: right after you launch your campaign after 1-2 months of preparation and 1-2 years of development and investment, you feel more crowded than funded. You become target to all these advertising hyenas saying "we will bring you XXX% more backers for the humble sum of $449 + 15% of each pledge we bring!". And since backers these days are split among the hundreds of good looking projects, including some huge companies who definitely don't need KS to gather funds, it is really hard to gain the funds you need to bring your project to life.
    At some point, when you feel that your campaign is going slowly and you fear all that labor and investment will be in vain, you begin to wonder should you hire one of those.

    And here is my story. I'm a creator of A Place in the Sun, which is my second game after the successful funding of my previous project - Bright Future. Sadly, the first launch of APS was going really slow (98 backers in 12 days): https://www.kickstarter.com/projects...ace-in-the-sun
    When I consulted with my team, I decided to cancel it on the 12-th of June, rework it, decrease pricing and launch again 2 weeks later: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects...e-in-the-sun-0
    Considering how hard has become for a small Indie developer in Kickstarter, I thought we need more PR (which is true). I found out that a friend of mine who had funded via KS a small card game, had used the services of a blogger - Johnathan Nadeau. He recommended this guy. By the time of my friend's project funding this Johnathan was really helpful for the money he requested, but my friend was wise enough to not pay in advance.

    I wasn't wise. I took for granted that the guy is taking his job seriously, so I have paid him 137 USD, as he requested. Yes, I know it isn't much, but this is my money and after I invested in artist payments, test copies, pilot copies, film making, audio creating etc., I'm already having a hard time. Long story short, I talked to the guy and he promised me everything (of course). I have paid him 1 week in advance - remember he was recommended to me - and asked him to be there when we re-launch on the 26-th of June. He wasn't. On the 19-th of June I asked him about some advice on the campaign, he didn't answer. We started on the 26-th of June, as we announced, but I got an answer from him on the 30-th of June.

    My last question: "(...) I have a bigger concern about the pricing though..." His reply 11 days later: "What you can find pricing Mamina." I was speechless. My Skype nickname is Gadina and the dude I have paid to advertise my business was just mocking me!
    No other reply from him ever since.

    Right now my campaign is going well enough, but not thanks to Johnathan Nadeau.
    I told the story to my friend who recommended this guy to me. He was really embarrassed. He found that the link to his own game in the advertiser's blog wasn't working anymore: http://www.crowdfundingcast.tk/crowd...among-thieves/
    A little googling revealed that this guy has shut down his previous blog and created another one: http://nadeaumedia.com/
    This is his Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/Nadeau-Media-545581572311794/
    This is his Twitter: https://twitter.com/nadeaumedia

    In conclusion: I still can't believe someone can be this treacherous... and stupid. There is the Internet, you know. I'm not sure what to do, but I believe there are people here who know better. Please help in any way you can.

  2. #2
    Well, you were right in pulling your first campaign for sure. However, when it comes to anyone offering a service, they will either thrive, or slit their own throats by their reputation. This guy looks like he had a promising stasrt, and then sharpened the blade for himself. Sorry for your struggle.

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    Sorry to hear about the scam. The woods are full of them. I like the pay-for-results model but they're hard to find.

    Check out Jamie Stonemaier - not marketer, but a gamer guy and a crowdfunding pro with tons of stories and good advice. https://stonemaiergames.com

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    I see it is one of those obstacles every creator must go through, but it hurts nevertheless when you've thrown all in.
    By the way, the guy is really brazen faced. Some time after I told him I want my money back, because he didn't do anything, he sent me a "report" with the job he has done for me, and with the following note:
    "i started this work the day the campaign started. It can take anywhere from 5 to 10 days to get the press release published and get the reports. It also takes time creating 1000 Also i came as a
    Recommendation from your friends. I'm doing the same work for you as your friends and they were satisfied enough to suggest my work to you. My guess is you thought by hiring me I would guarantee that you get funded right away and that didn't happen so now you are making up excuses to get refunded. This isn't the first time i've seen this happen. I'll be continuing to do the work i was hired for."
    The words from recommendation to the end were a link to the meaning of the word "recommendation" to some free dictionary.

    While I can understand this point, it doesn't explain why we got no regular reports, why no communication, and why mocking me.

    A closer look to the links of his PR report shows they are leading to valuable sites like:
    http://pen.io/ - a simple paste location on the web
    https://justpaste.it/ - the name tells it all
    https://www.evernote.com/ - a place to make notes for remembering stuff
    https://docs.google.com/ - should I explain this one?,
    etc.

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    He forgot Fiverr - another waste of time.

  6. #6
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    how is fiverr btw? too many options there

  7. #7
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gadina View Post
    Every Kickstarter creator knows this feeling: right after you launch your campaign after 1-2 months of preparation and 1-2 years of development and investment, you feel more crowded than funded. You become target to all these advertising hyenas saying "we will bring you XXX% more backers for the humble sum of $449 + 15% of each pledge we bring!". And since backers these days are split among the hundreds of good looking projects, including some huge companies who definitely don't need KS to gather funds, it is really hard to gain the funds you need to bring your project to life.
    At some point, when you feel that your campaign is going slowly and you fear all that labor and investment will be in vain, you begin to wonder should you hire one of those.

    And here is my story. I'm a creator of A Place in the Sun, which is my second game after the successful funding of my previous project - Bright Future. Sadly, the first launch of APS was going really slow (98 backers in 12 days): https://www.kickstarter.com/projects...ace-in-the-sun
    When I consulted with my team, I decided to cancel it on the 12-th of June, rework it, decrease pricing and launch again 2 weeks later: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects...e-in-the-sun-0
    Considering how hard has become for a small Indie developer in Kickstarter, I thought we need more PR (which is true). I found out that a friend of mine who had funded via KS a small card game, had used the services of a blogger - Johnathan Nadeau. He recommended this guy. By the time of my friend's project funding this Johnathan was really helpful for the money he requested, but my friend was wise enough to not pay in advance.

    I wasn't wise. I took for granted that the guy is taking his job seriously, so I have paid him 137 USD, as he requested. Yes, I know it isn't much, but this is my money and after I invested in artist payments, test copies, pilot copies, film making, audio creating etc., I'm already having a hard time. Long story short, I talked to the guy and he promised me everything (of course). I have paid him 1 week in advance - remember he was recommended to me - and asked him to be there when we re-launch on the 26-th of June. He wasn't. On the 19-th of June I asked him about some advice on the campaign, he didn't answer. We started on the 26-th of June, as we announced, but I got an answer from him on the 30-th of June.

    My last question: "(...) I have a bigger concern about the pricing though..." His reply 11 days later: "What you can find pricing Mamina." I was speechless. My Skype nickname is Gadina and the dude I have paid to advertise my business was just mocking me!
    No other reply from him ever since.

    Right now my campaign is going well enough, but not thanks to Johnathan Nadeau.
    I told the story to my friend who recommended this guy to me. He was really embarrassed. He found that the link to his own game in the advertiser's blog wasn't working anymore: http://www.crowdfundingcast.tk/crowd...among-thieves/
    A little googling revealed that this guy has shut down his previous blog and created another one: http://nadeaumedia.com/
    This is his Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/Nadeau-Media-545581572311794/
    This is his Twitter: https://twitter.com/nadeaumedia

    In conclusion: I still can't believe someone can be this treacherous... and stupid. There is the Internet, you know. I'm not sure what to do, but I believe there are people here who know better. Please help in any way you can.
    Thanks for sharing my experience. It can only make us even more careful and wise.

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